We’re not at the tip any more

Until a few years ago a trip to the local tip had been largely unchanged for decades. You drove up and joined a queue of cars waiting to dump stuff. Everyone pulled up alongside a low wall, over which the contents of the cars was thrown. Below, the rubbish piled up until it was collected and sent for landfill.

If you’ve not been to your local tip for a few years (in Greater Manchester at least) you’re in for a big surprise.

They’re now called “eco-centres” and with good reason – my local eco-centre at Longley Lane in Sharston recycled 54% of everything brought there in June, a figure I expect to see grow even further.

As you drive up now, you’ll see places for almost everything: paper, cardboard, books, clothes, floruescent strip lights, car batteries, TVs, furniture, oil, paint, rubble, metal, garden waste and more besides.

Amongst this sea of containers is one for “burnable waste” (i.e. items that can’t be recycled but can be incinerated to generate electricity) and finally one for the rest – which actually isn’t a huge amount.

The staff at Longley Lane are always helpful in telling you where things should go, and because the layout is so much better the whole business is quicker too. I can remember waiting half an hour or more in queues of cars to dump rubbish at the old-style tips. At Longley Lane the design is so much better that I almost never have to wait at all, and never more than a few minutes.

I suspect that our children will wonder in amazement that we ever thought simply chucking everything over the side and burying it in a big hole in the ground was a sensible thing to do!

7 Comments

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Robert Taggart
Tuesday 21 August 2012 - 10:26 am

Landfill was never a sensible idea – unless it was ash from incinerated waste.
Incineration be the answer – all that latent energy locked-up in almost everything – could have been a real boon to our energy / electricity supply.
Furthermore, compacted ash takes up only one-third of the space of compacted un-burnt rubbish – there would be no landfill crisis had this been the norm.

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Frederick Kenny
Sunday 26 August 2012 - 1:10 pm

Agreed dumping all waste in landfill isnt very good and incinerators can be a good solution. The only one in G Manchester is in Bolton and generates a maximum of 11MW, (enough for 3500 kettles). However, most people don’t want one near them (arn’t we all NIMBY’s?) – the Bolton one dominates the centre of town and looks awful – also they still give out polution – in particular heavy ions and other potential poisons which may have health implications.

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Neville Hewer
Tuesday 28 August 2012 - 11:19 am

Iain,

I know you mean well but I am sorry to say you are looking at it with Rose tinted glasses. I am fully behind the principal but the actual operation of the facility is more about profit for the operating company than convenience for the rate payers.

Every time I go to the tip it’s like a ‘spanish inquisition’.

On the last occasion I was helping an elderly man remove a van (which he had to hire for the purpose) full of fly tipping which had been dumped behind his property by builders. (Presumably because it is now too expensive for them to take to the tip. A cost incidentally that is effectively a stealth tax on people having work done on their house as this is the way a reputable builder would need to recover the cost.)

There were 3 guys huddled together laughing & joking and 1 in particular that seemed to take great delight in the ‘power’ he had to redirect you to a particular silo and he did it in an aggressive way. The set up there means that the public do the job for the company operating the site and the ‘workers’ stand around as we do their job for them. Moving from silo to silo was inefficient and took far to long (not good for the environment either starting and stopping the van to move round). There are far too many different categories for the public to sort. This level of separation should be done later by paid staff who currently have time on their hands. There are more efficient means of doing this as employed in Germany. The rate payer is used as an unpaid resource!!

I have highlighted my experience there in the past when I was refused a second visit with rubbish from my own basement. They wanted me to justify I was a ratepayer!

I never did get a response to that complaint or when I questioned the procedure & allowances for normal household rubbish. Could this now be answered.

All this would be a little more bearable if we knew that the money raised was put back in the council purse. BUT I understand that the company operating the facility made £80m profit last year and presumably us rate payers are contributing to that. Can you confirm if this is true and if the council actually pay to take the bin collections there?

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Iain Roberts
Tuesday 28 August 2012 - 2:44 pm

Hi Nev,

Commercial waste has always been charged for – that’s not changed; though we have seen a reduction in fly-tipping in the last year or so.

I don’t know the answer to your question – I assume that because of the volume of rubbish you were taking, they thought you might be a commercial dumper trying to pass off the cost onto the taxpayer.

I’ll take your word for Viridor’s profit – generally speaking the Public Sector wants a company that gives taxpayers the best deal and it’s actually quite a good thing for a company to make a decent profit (especially if a lot the profit gets reinvested).

I’ve written before about the cost to the taxpayer of residential collection. It costs us money to take rubbish for landfill, a lot less for green waste and we get paid money for recycling paper, card, bottles etc.

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Robert Taggart
Tuesday 28 August 2012 - 4:42 pm

Councillor Roberts, you must think your electorate are stupid (well, they did vote LieDum again a few months back, so…!) – the cost you refer to for landfill be a cost entirely of ‘your’ own making – a political decision to penalise this practice. That decision was backed to the hilt by the LieDums.

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Iain Roberts
Tuesday 28 August 2012 - 5:23 pm

Robert,

The cost of landfill is the cost the Council faces. The Council didn’t set that cost, but does have to live with it. You’re right that the landfill tax – supported by all main parties – penalises dumping rubbish in landfill and acts as an incentive to find alternatives such as recycling.

Unlike you, I don’t think the voters (for any party) are stupid.

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Robert Taggart
Wednesday 29 August 2012 - 10:21 am

Well, Councillor, you would say that !
Then you wonder why so many potential voters think it better not to vote !!
Your politicos make ‘rods for other peoples backs’ never mind your own !!!



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